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Charles Page | PentecostalTheology.com
A lot of Pentecostal ministers already gorged on Dake’s Bible (not the Holy Bible) also gorged themselves on Plain truth Magazine as their “prophecy go to” source for preaching. It was mailed out free and they were also gorging themselves on Armstrong’s view of dynamic monarchianism.
Am I right or wrong on this?
Charles Page [12/03/2015 10:39 PM]
they kept their stash of Plain Truth magazines hidden away in their home offices. They were deceived to think they could take the prophecies (revived Roman Empire) and not be affected by the whole of Armstrongism. (then it was worldwide CoG)
John Conger [12/03/2015 11:49 PM]
I learned a lot from dake but disagree with him about a lot so not sure I fell into that category but that was probably true back when I began learning. I was a COG ministry for 15 yard and senior pastor for almost 9 and I never got a plain truth magazine.
William Lance Huget [12/04/2015 12:09 AM]
Most Christians and Pentecostals knew about Armstrong and did not use him, but exposed him. Some were influenced by Dake, but probably not most.
Jim Kingsnorth [12/04/2015 4:16 AM]
What is “The Holy Bible”? The King James?
William Lance Huget [12/04/2015 1:43 PM]
KJV alone is not the Word of God alone. It is one of many credible versions.
Bishop Tony Comer [12/04/2015 7:06 PM]
MOST OF US (realizing the are exceptions) grew in our walk with God, and NEVER accepted Dake’s commentary as ‘infallible”..and, in 45+ years of walking with God in the Pentecostal faith I NEVER knew, nor heard anyone that endorsed ARMSTRONG, or ‘Plain Truth Magazine! ….there might have been some out there, but never in the circles of ministry that I was acquainted with.
Ricky Grimsley
Ricky Grimsley liked this on Facebook.
Varnel Watson
There was a comment made recently in the group that Dake is spot on theologically. Is any one find it in your comment stream pls repost. Do you agree with that statement?
Louise Cummings
I don’t know what the statement is But I love Dakes Bible.
Pete Fiske
HECK NO! Dake’s theology is pock-marked with error and outright nonsensical, contradictory false doctrines, beginning with the *gap* in Genesis 1, which isn’t there. Its a serious issue in the Pentecostal / Charismatic world.
Keith Stone
My Dad is still old line pentecostal, no T.V. no ball games men long sleeve shirt woman long hair no make up on pants. He only uses the KJV and reads several books. He prays and has the most anointed preaching you will find. The COG left pentecostal and went charismatic a long time ago.
Louise Cummings
Not all. But many have made their own doctrine.
Tim Renneberg
Left Pentecost and went charismatic…. that may require further explanation. How are you defining Pentecostal and charismatic?
Carl Murphy
I certainly would like to know what TV and baseball, women with short hair etc have to do with serving God. God does not look at the outward appearance but the heart, where true holiness lives. Holiness does not reside in a person’s hair, clothes or anywhere but their heart. As to clothing etc i leave it is left to again the adiaphora, things that are indifferent to God. Which is what Paul speaks about when he talks about eating meat offered to idols. It is up to the individual and has nothing to do with being holy. It is the weaker/stronger brother complex and he that knows to do right and does it not to HIM it is sin. Not to the guy down the street. So if you think baseball is a sin don’t do it, but it may not be a sin to someone else so don’t condemn them for it
Jon Ray
YES- this was one of my comments. Read carefully and let’s set the records straight – – – Dake makes only a few theological deviations:
1. mixing of races which could be attributed to his Southern roots and culture of living
2. the son-ship and nature of Jesus Christ which seems to be Dake’s minor approach to dealing with the aggressive oneness attack on early American Pentecostalism. In this category fall his view on the Trinity, God’s anthropomorphism and Adam’s replacement role on earth
3. the Trinity explanation is but a symbolic interpretation of the Trinity. What Dake wrote about his understanding of the Trinity is neither original nor heretic. Similar interpretations could be found in his day and through church history and even among theology scholars today. After all, who here can explain the Trinity completely and without errors? Dake’s view on the Trinity follows the Athanasius creed and Gregorian orthodoxy to the dot
These could be results from the culture he lived in but are hardly the characteristics of an intentional false teacher. Everything else, and I mean everything else that has been attributed to Dake as error is mainly vogue interpretation from Charismatic preachers who fail to understand the depth of Dake’s Bible studies and build a sermon or teaching on a single commentary reference (in most cases taken completely out of context).
Beside this DAKE is spot on everything else – especially prophecy as prescribed by Pentecostal eschatology. That includes over 35,000 commentary notes and more than 8,000 outlines for sermons. We can only pray as ministers that we leave such a rich theological heritage without bordering heresy or complete obsoleteness. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/dealing-with-dakes-teachings-again-bible-kjv-pentecostal-christian-church/
Louise Cummings
I haven’t studied Dakes in a long time. The letters are to small for me to read. I have easier study Bibles. I would need to check out before making a statement.
Jon Ray
Jerry I dont know enough Greek to make that conclusion. Dake knew no Biblical languages and this was a trend among Pentecostals in his days. I did read some opinions about his interpretation of Rom. 7 and was not sure to include it or not. Many in this group probably also agree that in Rom. 7 deals Paul’s preconversion experiences. So not sure if we can hold Dake responsible for something he did not know but I do see your point. Thank you for sharing!
Karen Lucas
It must be different pentecostals than the ones I know who are into Dake’s. I have been in pentecost my whole life but never known anyone to even mention it before.
Karen Lucas
Spragmactic…lol. I think you just made a new word. What does it mean?
John Ruffle
T.L.Osborne used to send out his books for free to Pentecostal ministers – I THINK E.W. Kenyon Publishing House may also have done back in the early days. We are talking late ’50s and 1960s.
Pete Fiske
Troy, that is a pathetic testimony to the overwhelming lack of objective theological scholarship that all too many Charismatic and Evangelical ministers are guilty of. God tells us, and He holds pastors to a higher standard…
“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” ~ 2 Timothy 2:15
Varnel Watson
What specifically are you referring to? The “gorging” comment comes from Charles Page and is very much in sync with the links you’ve posted. What exactly do you consider “pathetic testimony” in the question asked? Personally I find calling names distasteful in any theological discussion. Please kindly and calmly reconsider the language you’re using in this group. Thanks!
Scotty Searan
My Dad was the same way. We Boys didn’t short pants either, didn’t listen to secular music for the most part, though he did have a weakness for the Grand Ole Opry, but that was the only time we listened to secular music.
No Contemporary Christian Music either.
My dad used the Thompson chain reference KJV Bible only. He did have a Dakes Bible, We did not accept his WOF doctrine or the Pre-Trib Rapture.
The only books my dad ever read was David Wilkerson and He Followed him till his death.
Though I use Dakes Bible and I believe a lot of the teaching that what people called fanatics and legalism nowadays.
I believe in the foundations that our Pioneer Heritage .Ministers laid down and we should follow them.
Off my Soapbox.