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How are the terms Pentecostal, Charismatic and Hyper-Charismatic used to describe different religious movements?
The typical use of Pentecostal on this site is in reference to the historical groups that began in the early 1900s which emphasized speaking in tongues as the evidence of the “baptism of the Holy Ghost.”
The typical use of Charismatic on this site is in reference to groups which arose from 1960 and on (or earlier groups, such as the Assemblies of God, which shifted their emphasis around that time) which believe they have manifestations among them of the more “supernatural” of the “spiritual gifts” described in the Bible. The word Charismatic will be capitalized when used in this way to distinguish it from the general use of the term to just mean a “gifted person” outside a religious setting.
The term Hyper-Charismatic is used on this site to designate those Charismatic teachers and groups in recent decades which attribute extremely unusual, non-biblical manifestations in their meetings to the action of the Holy Spirit. This would include individuals being “glued to the floor” for a period by a supernatural force for no apparent reason, people uncontrollably making animal sounds such as crowing like a rooster or barking like a dog in the midst of a worship service, and other such phenomena. Hyper-Charismatic is also used to designate those teachings which make vaunted claims that the average Christian can control with absolute certainty his circumstances, including his health and physical prosperity, through the power that he can obtain by mastering certain “keys” allegedly found in the
Bible.
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- Pacifism as a Social Stand for Holiness among Early Bulgarian Pentecostals
- The Practice of Corporate Holiness within the Communion Service of Bulgarian Pentecostals
- Sanctification and Personal Holiness among Early Bulgarian Pentecostals
- First Pentecostal Missionaries to Bulgaria (1920)
- Historical and Doctrinal Formation of Holiness Teachings and Praxis among Bulgarian Pentecostals
- The Everlasting Gospel: The Significance of Eschatology in the Development of Pentecostal Thought
- Online Pentecostal Academic Journals
- What made us Pentecostal?
- Pentecostalism and Post-Modern Social Transformation
- Obama, Marxism and Pentecostal Identity
- Why I Decided to Publish Pentecostal Primitivism?
- Historic Pentecostal Revival Tour in Bulgaria Continues
- The Land of Pentecostals
- Pentecostal Theological Seminary Address
- A Truly Pentecostal Water Baptism
Peter A Vandever [11/28/2015 3:49 PM]
Sounds like we are moving from glory to glory…so level up 🙂
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 3:49 PM]
hens the title of my new book The title for my new book has been approved: “Dominionism, demonianism and denominationism” Clearly, the title was modeled after “The Devil, Disease, and Deliverance” Rick Wadholm Jr
Peter A Vandever [11/28/2015 3:53 PM]
Honestly, I find me in all three of your groups 🙂 I am Pentecostal, Charsmatic and Third Wave. 🙂
John Kissinger [11/28/2015 3:55 PM]
Dominion and demonian is understood but I did not have you in the denomination group as well. May have to model my book around your full rounded experience Rick Wadholm Jr
John Ruffle [11/29/2015 12:10 AM]
Then there are the penticistalists. These, at least academically, covers it all – those who believe in experiential manifestations aka the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Except that there has ALWAYS been spiritual gifts since the upper room..
Jerrod Buffington [11/29/2015 1:24 AM]
NAR all day
John Kissinger [11/29/2015 3:49 AM]
Jerrod Buffington NAR with iPnone 6s?
Link Hudson [11/29/2015 4:38 AM]
Why would A/G be called ‘Charismatic.’ Originally, Charismatics were in ‘mainline’ denominations, but then many of the folks in that movement went into independent churches and fellowships of churches.
I don’t think ‘hyper-charismatic’ is generally used. How about WOF as a label.
I heard something about Maria Woodworth Etter being ‘glued’ to the floor. She became a part of the Pentecostal movement after it started. That was way back before the Charismatic movement.
A lot of the WOF teachings had roots in the Pentecostal movement. Kenneth Hagin was a Baptist and then pastored A/G for a while.
John Kissinger [11/29/2015 4:46 AM]
Did you mean the community church in Roland, Texas when you said baptist?
Jon Ray
http://cupandcross.com/pentecost-sunday-2016/
Varnel Watson
Most certainly NOT interchangeably…
Varnel Watson
here we go Michael Hazlewood – read and educate yourself You are quite welcome !!!
Kelly Crites
My boy Jordan on the cover!??
Michael Hazlewood
No Okay that is not Biblical Christianity
Tom Torbeyns
I wouldn’t classify the Assemblies of God as part of the Charismatic groups but as part of Classical Pentecostalism (first wave) due to their staunch belief in speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of having been filled with the Spirit.
Varnel Watson
Tom Torbeyns first off who classify Assemblies of God as part of the Charismatic groups to start with? Then which Assemblies of God exactly? If British and Irish AoG are going postmil and refuting premil eschatology they are not classical Pentecostals no more either
Varnel Watson
Thomas Henry Jr. Michael Hazlewood Link Hudson Wayne Scott take heed in this post to establish if you are Pentecostal or Charismatic or either
Thomas Henry Jr.
Troy Day I establish that a long time ago when first joining this group. While My Reformed beliefs started from the church of my birth, my experience with Pentecostalism started in my early teens at a large predominantly black independent Pentecostal-Holiness church where I experience and saw my mom experience divine healing before my eyes.
A love for scripture developed and later After being called into ministry I would be called to be an assistant pastor of a cogic church and later pastor of one.
There are plenty reformed believers who are Pentecostals and were such before the so-called second and third wave. They aren’t as vocal as the Arminian Pentecostals.
It is sad that one’s biases keep them from recognizing what was always there. That’s just as bad as oneness claiming no one saved but their camp because of baptism in Jesus Name. Reformed Pentecostalism has been around for some time. There plenty of us in COGIC one of the oldest Pentecostal bodies in the world.
Michael Hazlewood
You really need to have a better understanding of Holy god and His Scriptures
Varnel Watson
Thomas Henry Jr. when you say
independent Pentecostal-Holiness
did they believe in Wesleyan ENTIRE sanctification ?
Thomas Henry Jr.
Troy Day not all Pentecostals share the same view of Holiness. The Assemblies view is different from COGIC is it not? I’m not sure why we have this need to make Pentecostal Monolithic. I don’t think all Pentecostals are racists because Charles Parham was a racist.
Varnel Watson
You did not answer my quesution – Why?
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood he was a racist
Thomas Henry Jr.
Troy Day I did. There is positional sanctification we all have in Christ right now
And there is conditional sanctification where the body and soul is being saved
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood you cannot read. I gave an analogy — i said clearly I don’t assume all Pentecostals are racists because Parham was. So my response was why lump all Pentecostals together when it’s not the Holiness doctrine that makes Pentecostals Pentecostals
Thomas Henry Jr.
Troy Day i made an analogy I cannot help the other guy read into it. History doesn’t change and as a black conservative I do not believe in rewriting history.
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. The Holy Ghost Baptism makes us Pentecostals alone – The Doctrines we obey show Righteousness unto holiness or show us as Tares in the midst of the Harvest broadcasting wicked seed
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood I believe in the Holy Spirit Baptism and seen many whom I laid hands on and pray for receive that precious gift.
I believe works flow out of salvation but are not a condition of that salvation. Scripture says in Eph 2 we don’t work to be saved but we work because we are saved. And ohhh what a joy it is to be saved.
I believe in faith healing according to James. I believe in casting out devils.
The biggest issue and Jesus dealt with this — so here cannot see how I can be Reformed. Jesus told his disciples if they are FOR ME they cannot be against me!
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood your disagreement with me is that I’m a Trinitarian and I strongly believe oneness to be heresy. Many oneness are more heterodox than heretics
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. Show me God the Son , God The Holy Ghost , co-equal , trinity mentioned in Scripture or is these things just a way of men to explain what they cannot comprehend
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood i already did and you hollered blasphemous
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood John 1:1 LOGOS ÉN PROS TON THEON — disproves oneness everyday
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. wow God proves He is one and there is none beside Him ; He knows not one
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood Good try spinning but that’s not what that Greek says—try again
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood LOGOS ÉN PROS TON THEON
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. GREEK you are saved by the GREEK hahahahaha
Thomas Henry Jr.
That’s the second clause of John 1:1 in Greek
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. So if the KJB lies then God lied is that what you say ?
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood that text was first written in Greek are you afraid of it
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. No it was Translated into Pure English do you believe it
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood KJV isn’t the original text — it is a translation that mostly the old Bishops Bible that preceded it
Michael Hazlewood
You don’t read , write or even speak Koine Greek so how is Holy God holding you accountable for what it said
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood actually English wasn’t pure at the Time. Elizabethan English, Shakespeare and KJV standardize English. English was constantly involving at the time my friend
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. The Bishops Bible was only one of a hole line the KJB Translation was compared to
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood i just gave you Koine Greek — LOGOS ÉN PROS TON THEON
Varnel Watson
Parham became a full KKK member in 1910. However, we do know Parham made everything possible to allow William Seymour sit under his ministry regardless the laws of TX – now then, This Group does NOT divide on RACE Pls be careful to discuss theology- both of you!
Varnel Watson
Thomas Henry Jr. back to your theology talk if we may – how do you reconcile ANY view on sanctification as 2nd work of Grace with Reform theology – I am genuinely interested in that
Wayne Scott
I also disagree with Wesley’s “two works of grace.” It makes obedience optional for our salvation.
Varnel Watson
figures – I just asked you the question 🙂
Michael Hazlewood
The Scripture says They obeyed that form of doctrine given them ACTS 2 :38-39 KJB from the heart for their salvation ; GRACE by Biblical account is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost for salvation
Varnel Watson
Michael Hazlewood GRACE by Biblical account is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost for salvation – you care to explain what this even mean?
Thomas Henry Jr.
Troy Day there nothing to reconcile. I was baptized AME as a kid in my dad’s church but raised in my mom’s reformed church. I believe in positional sanctification which we all enjoy now in Christ. I believe according to scripture conditionally we are BEING SANCTIFIED DAILY. I don’t teach a second work if grace called sanctification. It’s too closely Romanish in doctrine. I trust in Christ’s righteousness and I’m sanctified in Him and through Him.
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood that’s not biblical
Varnel Watson
Thomas Henry Jr. oh there is A LOT to reconcile theologically and I strongly doubt you can do it that easily
Thomas Henry Jr.
Troy Day nope not so. Matter of Fact, my Baptist’s professors loved my biblical exegesis of sanctification which is totally in line with scripture
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. It is Holy Bible
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood that’s not what the Greek text says
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. THEN your Greek Text is wrong and God is The Truth
Varnel Watson
Thomas Henry Jr. which Greek text are you reading? I would love to see your biblical exegesis of sanctification which is totally in line with scripture up for discussion
Link Hudson
Spiritual gifts are given according to grace. Does anything good happen in us spiritually apart from grace?
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. God chose it not the power of you and your theological intellectual superiors lol
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood the RULES of translation by King James stayed the Bishop Bible is to be retained as much as possible except in places it disagrees with the originals
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. along with comparisons to the others
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood King James made the TRANSLATION however the original text is God-breathed you do understand inerrancy right?
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood again the rules WERE to retain the bishop’s Bible translation as long as it agreed with the originals.
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr.So you disagree that we have an inerrant Bible then and the wicked seed of today is okay for doctrine ESV, NIV , NKJV etc…….. ?
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood the Bible is inerrant in its originals. The copies and translations has textual variants that don’t compromise the integrity of the text.
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. You think someone is saved having not been buried with Christ in Baptism ?
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood That a major accusation on the other translations and you don’t know Greek
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood yes and it’s proven easily from scripture
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood oneness is a heresy
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. Your right I don’t know Ancient from Koine from modern Greek and neither do you so I suggest you stop putting faith in it and believe God
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood don’t show your TRUE COLORS. I am Bible College and Seminary trained and educated are YOU?
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. Trinity is damnable heresy against Holy God , against The Word of Holy God and against The Holy Ghost of God
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood i never said stop having faith in God but oneness has introduced you to a God different from the God in Scripture
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. Bible semetary training is designed to deceive
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood only heresy is ONENESS. You are sad my friend
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. There is no God the Son ever mentioned it is damnable heresy
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood you don’t know the biblical languages but trying to school me?
Michael Hazlewood
God the Holy Ghost is never mentioned as a third person it is damnable heresy
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. You need schooling pretending to know them
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood you haven’t read Hebrews 1 nor other scriptures were the sin is reference as preexisting
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. a co-equal godhead is never mentioned and is damnable heresy
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood bye Sir! I don’t take easy to religious zealots who don’t know scripture nor how to be respectful. The fact you read into the Parham analogy speaks volumes.
So argue with someone else thanks
Michael Hazlewood
Any co-equal persons to Holy God teaching is damnable heresy
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. I knew you intellectually superiors cannot stand to Biblical doctrine – I knew it
Michael Hazlewood
Teaching God the Son as a second person in the Godhead is damnable heresy
Michael Hazlewood
Teaching the Holy Ghost to be a third person in the Godhead is damnable heresy
Thomas Henry Jr.
Michael Hazlewood Bye ?? Sir — I hope you don’t remain lost
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. ACTS 2:38-39 ACTS 19:1-6 KJB
Michael Hazlewood
Thomas Henry Jr. OBEY God rather than men
Varnel Watson
U2 guys are doing great even without Link Hudson
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce James H. Boyd I would disagree Not all Pentecostal are charismatic for a very basic rule of thumb Classical Pentecostals believe in entire sanctification Most Charismatics miss that as Peter Vandever may well know http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-makes-a-pentecostal-and-charismatics-different/
Peter Vandever
Troy Day Only people connected to Cleveland hold it. Most others do not. AG, Foursquare, Open Bible and other are finished work people.
Varnel Watson
Peter Vandever William DeArteaga Ray E Horton I think Jevan Little has never been more wrong when he said
>>> Charismatics do not but believe in the gifts
Jevan Little
Troy Day I didn’t say that. Wow
Varnel Watson
Jevan Little sorry I just copy pasted your words from right here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/permalink/2684713891583609/?comment_id=2685482281506770
Jevan Little
Troy Day no you did not
Jevan Little
Here is what I really said..the context
Jevan Little
Pentecostals do, charismatics do not. Both do believe in the gifts
Varnel Watson
Jevan Little thanks for the clarification
Jevan Little
Troy Day ?
Varnel Watson
Jevan Little but you still said it 🙂
Varnel Watson
what William DeArteaga said The historical difference is taht Pentecostals stemfrom the Asuza St Revival of 1906 and formed various denominations by 1915. Peter Vandever
Anonymous
I’ve never heard of hyper-charismatic. But I have heard some of those odd manifestations.
Anonymous
Michael Chauncey its like hyper-CALV but just a bit differente
Anonymous
perhaps John Digsby can tell us all? John Mushenhouse
Anonymous
hyper charismatic lol. Charismatic was enough.
the holy ghost is not a movement. IF a church got it, dont tell the press.