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Timothy Carter | PentecostalTheology.com
What is your response?
Did this pastor hear from God?
Is Donald Trump God’s man of the hour?
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 5:50 AM]
already discussed but go ahead – say what you think http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/trump-shall-become-gods-trumpet-to-america/
Billy Monroe Poff [08/18/2015 7:10 AM]
I have my own opinion on whether or not he indeed did hear from God on this, but opinions are just that…opinions. The truth of the matter will be revealed in whether or not what he says comes to pass. Test any word that man speaks as “the voice of God” by seeing whether or not what he says #1) lines up with the Word of God and #2) if it comes to pass. If it does not come to pass, then without a doubt it was not the voice of God that spoke, thereby destroying the man’s credibility as being able to hear and distinquish the voice of the Lord. If it does come to pass, then take heed. Simple as that….wait and see…
Timothy Carter [08/18/2015 7:37 AM]
Billy Monroe Poff please explain what you mean by TEST and LINES UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD ? Lets say for example you are standing by and you hear a person shouting out…hummm…something like…”Jesus Christ is going to come back driving around in a Chevy. He will hutch His Bride to the bumper and drag her through the stumble.”. What would you do? Charles Page Peter A Vanedever
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 7:40 AM]
yes Billy Monroe Poff this is an interesting and very significant for Pentecostalism today position. Pls elaborate if you have some new prophetic insights to this topic!
Billy Monroe Poff [08/18/2015 8:01 AM]
Just got to work. Will reply when I get back home this evening. Hope you all have a blessed day in the Lord!
Billy Monroe Poff [08/18/2015 8:47 PM]
Greetings. Timothy Carter and my other friend, (sorry I don’t know how to type your name on my English keyboard to tag you) All I was saying is that when I hear (or read) someone speak (or write) a prophecy, I am always at first skeptical unless I know the person personally and am aware of their integrity in spiritual matters. And even then, I always look at the prophecy through skeptical eyes first and then keep it in mind to see if it will come to pass. I have heard many many prophesies spoken that never came close to coming true. So this tells me that the person that spoke it did not hear it from the Lord, for if something comes from the voice of God, then it WILL surely come to pass. That doesn’t mean that the person who spoke it is a bad person or lacking spiritually. Sometimes very well meaning people have a hard time distinguishing the voice of the Lord apart from their own inner thoughts. Back when Obama was elected as president, a very well respected preacher prophesied to Sarah Palin and told her that the Lord had anointed her and she was going to win the election. Of course, we know that was not the outcome. So, when he prophesied that over her, I didn’t ridicule him (and still don’t) I just quietly waited to see if it would come to pass. The Bible tells us in 1Jn 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” And even in this, I am not saying that this particular prophecy that started this thread is or isn’t from God. All I’m saying is to remember it. And wait and see if it comes to pass… Then it will be evident as to whether it was from God or not. Blessings to you my brothers!
Varnel Watson
I for one think the guy is dead wrong because when it’s all said and done what exactly is Trump’s plan is for America? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-is-donald-trumps-plan-is-for-america/
Bob Buckland
The article isn’t worth reading because of the terrible syntax used in the title. Think about it, if the author has no more thought than to do that in the title, then why is the article any good?
Varnel Watson
Jonathan Downie Jon Sellers David M. Hinsen
David Lewayne Porter
AaaaMmeeeeeennN!
Roger David
I am all for choosing the lesser of two evils if that is the only choice you have. Less evil is better than more evil. That being said…I am not sure who the lesser evil will be in the upcoming November elections. Thankfully I’m not American so I’m not going to be held accountable for voting the wrong way :p
David Lewayne Porter
It is NEVER the only choice you have.
David Lewayne Porter
It is the easy choice
Varnel Watson
Alan N Carla Smith David Lewayne Porter
Roger David
My own mother (A Candian living near Toronto Ontario) just posted this…
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1716478871968796&set=a.1383811571902196.1073741829.100008200982068&type=3
Varnel Watson
DID he now? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/did-this-pastor-hear-from-god-about-trump/ Tom Steele
David Lewayne Porter
Yawn
David M. Hinsen
It’s going to be who it’s going to be. Let’s continue to look to God and focus on the Great Commission.
David M. Hinsen
Does make for interesting conversation though
Jim Price
Billy Monroe, that was well thought out response.
Varnel Watson
The way to make America great again is through hard work and support of the middle class, not through demagogy and empty political words Stan Wayne David Lewayne Porter Billy Monroe Poff https://www.facebook.com/SolidGroundCords/videos/1749947568584860/
Billy Monroe Poff
I believe America has passed it’s pinnacle. She will never be the great nation she once was. America as a whole as turned away from God. And woe unto the nation that forgets their God….
Varnel Watson
Now you are sounding like Perry Stone 🙂 Roger David
Billy Monroe Poff
There is a reason that the greatest most powerful nation on earth isnt even mentioned in the Bible when it talks about the end time wars…
David M. Hinsen
Mic drop
Stan Wayne
As for no mention – here are more not mentioned : China Japan India Mongolia Indonesia Malaysia African states besides Ethiopia South Africa Germany England France Korea Australia Chile Brazil Mexico
Varnel Watson
Billy Monroe Poff I too believe that GOD is Sounding The Warning #TRUMP to America http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/sounding-the-warning-trump-to-america/
Tom Steele
David Lewayne Porter
Lord I hope not.
Tom Steele
I will admit, I about fell over when I saw this shirt at the mall. That has to be one of the funniest jokes I have seen in this whole mess so far.
Varnel Watson
William DeArteaga H vs Trump Jon Sellers called it long long ago in a galaxy not far away https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=trump+gop&eob=m.09c7w0/D/5/short/m.09c7w0/ My cause has lost the battle, for now, and it is only fair that I now publicly proclaim what path makes the most sense going forward for those of us who find Hillary Clinton contemptible, the further advancement of secular progressive liberalism unthinkable, and who believe in the basic principles on which our country was founded. Our cause does not have a candidate in this election, and that needs to be the first point made…
David Lewayne Porter
Exactly
John Conger
lol
Karen Lucas
lol
Varnel Watson
John Conger David Lewayne Porter Stan Wayne
David Lewayne Porter
And sadly that is the way they look at it
John Conger
lol
Varnel Watson
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/05/11/donald-trump-still-has-no-idea-how-many-years-of-tax-returns-the-irs-is-auditing/
Varnel Watson
Stan Wayne https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/11/this-donald-trump-interview-should-set-off-all-sorts-of-alarm-bells-for-the-gop/?wpisrc=nl_az_most
Stan Wayne
“If You Don’t Know Me By Now”
If you don’t know me by now
You will never never never know me
All the things
That we’ve been through
You should understand me
Like I understand you
Now girl I know the difference
Between right and wrong
I ain’t gonna do nothing
To break up our happy home
Don’t get so excited
When I come home
A little late at night
Cos we only act like children
When we argue fuss and fight
If you don’t know me by now
You will never never never know me
We’ve all got our
Own funny moods
I’ve got mine,
Woman you’ve got yours too
Just trust in me like I trust in you
As long as we’ve been together
It should be so easy to do
Just get yourself together
Or we might as well say goodbye
What good is a love affair
When you can’t see eye to eye
If you don’t know me by now
You will never
Never never know me
Varnel Watson
TRUE or FALSE
?
Stan Wayne
Amen
Varnel Watson
Stan Wayne Did he now? Did he hear or not? Alan Carl
Stan Wayne
I say no but I am still for Trump for other reasons
Varnel Watson
Reasonable stand Jon Sellers
Stan Wayne
I have the reasonable stand, right? 😉
Varnel Watson
IMO Christians are ‘called to resist’ Trump Jon Sellers Terry Wiles
http://religionnews.com/2016/05/01/christian-resistance-donald-trump/
Terry Wiles
Troy Day. After the comments I read earlier from l. Bailey on the absence of one main teacher/preacher in the early church and comparing prophecy in 1 Corinthians 14 with anything remotely happening in a Pentecostal/Charismatic church today and the many comments concerning Bishops wives in another sister site I truly believe “resisting” is common among many posters on this site. 🙂
Varnel Watson
but does Donald Trump Have an URGENT MESSAGE for Christians??
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/donald-trump-has-an-urgent-message-for-christians-every-american-should-see-this/
Varnel Watson
Billy Monroe Poff had a great comment on this on Stan Wayne just put some song to cover up
Charles Page
No doubt that God is telling pastors about Hillary being His man of the hour!
Charles Page
Maybe God is just getting us to vote. registering voters.
Varnel Watson
Crouch? http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2016/october-web-only/speak-truth-to-trump.html
Jeanette Elizondo
Yes !!!
Richard Gault
Plantagenet Family Church
Prophecy-Guidelines-Plantagenet Family Church
GUIDELINES FOR GIVING PERSONAL PROPHECY
These instructions are for the safe delivery of the prophetic in small groups, person to person, and the large gatherings.
Prophecy is an inspired utterance (presumably from God) that a person, gives to either another, or to a group.
According to 1st Corinthians 14:3: Prophecy is to edify, exhort and comfort.
These three words are the biblical boundaries of prophetic words that are to be used towards one another in Plantagenet Family Church.
Prophecy is an utterance that is to be delivered with humility and love
(1 Corinthians 14:1-3)
Prophecy is to be evaluated (1 Cor 14:29) and therefore should not be a secretive or private thing, and must always be in accord with the objective word of God, “The Holy Bible”.
Prophecy should never be a vehicle for bringing personal correction to someone under the guise of “God says” or “I think God says”
We must be very careful that we do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
Prophecies that are directive either personal or public, i.e. “The Lord is saying you must sell your house and go to Mongolia.” are forbidden.
This type of utterance is particularly dangerous to immature Christians and has brought the whole ministry of the prophetic into disrepute. (Mature Christians are able to discern and disregard counterfeit manifestations)
Therefore, if one receives a word that does not fall within the boundaries of encouragement, exhortation and comfort, the rule in Plantagenet Family Church is that this word must be submitted to the Pastors to judge.(before speaking to the person)
The person who has submitted this word to the Pastors has then discharged their responsibility. The proper authorities will then have the responsibility to pastorally convey (or pray).
Do not violate a person’s dignity
Sometimes God may give a mature Christian an insight into another person’s struggles or issues, but in most cases this would be a call for private not public prayer and intercession on behalf of the person.
If necessary seek counsel from the Pastoral team who has the overall responsibility for the church.
Remember: it’s not about control but it’s about credibility, integrity and safety.
When delivering a word from God (that we humbly trust is inspired,) it is an acceptable and recommended practice to preface what is said by honestly saying
“this is a word that I feel or sense from God for you”
When you have given a word, take responsibility and ask the question “does this make any sense, or how has this affected you?”
It is unacceptable to give a word and then walk away from it and not be involved pastorally as the person processes the word you gave them.
If you are not prepared to be a biblical brother or sister walking in unity and love, don’t presume to speak into a person’s life.
We are a body that is committed to building one another up.
Cryptic words (ostensibly from God) that leave a person confused, disturbed, condemned or upset are unacceptable.
New Testament operation of the prophetic is not to be modeled on Old Testament prophets. (Many prophetic people who are independent are seduced into believing they are Gods Law enforcement officers)
The prophetic that is delivered independent of the shepherd’s heart of the Lord Jesus is suspect. All ministry needs to be based on a thorough New Covenant understanding of the heart of the Lord Jesus Christ (The shepherd)
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness” (2nd Tim 3:16)
The scriptures are given to us not for our own private “whatever seems right to me”, interpretation, but for the collective wisdom of the body to determine.
Much error and heresy could have been prevented throughout church history if individuals would humbly submit their views and revelations for the collective wisdom of the body rather than construct a private interpretation.
If doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction for righteousness must be regulated by scripture, it follows that in the same way, prophecy (which is a valid ministry of the Holy Spirit) must be protected and regulated Biblically by the collective wisdom of the body – as we (with humility) submit our revelations and ideas to scripture and one another.
Finally, Plantagenet Family Church is a safe place to grow and develop in our ministry together so, have a go and we will learn as we grow.
Original by Eric Stillman March 2006